Comments on: Manville on Downtown Revitalization: What, How and Why? http://planning-research.com/manville-on-downtown-revitalization-what-how-and-why/ essays on urban studies Mon, 28 Feb 2011 11:39:58 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.5.1 By: Anonymous http://planning-research.com/manville-on-downtown-revitalization-what-how-and-why/comment-page-1/#comment-55 Anonymous Wed, 27 Sep 2006 20:23:00 +0000 http://planning-research.martacrane.com/?p=44#comment-55 There are a number of points in the comment above, which suggest a number of possible research issues. Let me try to separate a few of them out.

One point that I agree with is that city living for the nonpoor is a niche market, and probably will remain so until problems like urban schooling are resolved. This needn’t mean that downtown revitalization is impossible, however. Many downtowns are relatively small compared to their metropolitan areas, so in theory only a small proportion of the MSA needs to develop a taste for city living in order to bring a downtown back. But this is not to say, I should emphasize, that those with a taste for urbanity are deserving of a subsidy, or that “bringing back” the downtown will do ameliorate some of the center city’s most difficult problems. These issues should not be lumped together. The question of whether the downtown can be brought back is separate from the question of what impacts this comeback would have, which is in turn separate from the question of whether any of these impacts warrant taxpayer support.

The more interesting question raised by the commenter is why suburbanites support downtown revitalization efforts. The commenter suggests that the explanation is pure self-interest: politically connected suburbanites who own land or businesses in the downtown want government money to shore up their investments. I buy this to an extent, but many suburbanites don’t own land or assets in the downtown. In fact many suburbanites have almost no connection to the center city at all. We should expect them therefore to be at best neutral and more likely opposed to urban redevelopment projects.

But the evidence suggests this is not the case. The General Social Survey regularly asks Americans if they support aid to big cities, and since 1990 a majority of suburbanites have said they do. This might be a sign that the suburbs and central cities truly are interdependent, as some New Regionalists have posited. Or it may be a classic case of expressive voting; suburbanites might feel so disconnected from cities and urban policy that they cast the vote (or express the opinion) that makes them feel good. The danger of expressive voting—which has been well-documented in the case of foreign aid—is that expressive voters simply want to know that “something is being done.” They don’t necessarily care if it works. So to the extent that central city assistance is designed to appeal to suburbanites, it may be biased toward large visible projects that suburbanites will see and possibly use. And few urban programs are more visible than downtown revitalization, with its stadiums, skyscrapers and rail lines.

So that’s one explanation. A colleague of mine suggested a second one, which is that suburbanites believe they do have a stake in urban growth, and that their support for downtown revitalization comes from perceived self-interest. If over the last decade many suburbanites have absorbed the arguments of Smart Growth, then they might support downtown revitalization because they want to channel growth away from themselves. Suburbanites who believe that denser, transit-oriented downtown living will forestall development and ease congestion in the suburbs might see direct subsidies to downtown as indirect subsidies to their own way of life.

Of course, that argument depends on downtown living being a substitute, rather than a complement, to suburban living. The evidence here seems to be mixed. Arthur Nelson and his coauthors have argued that anti-sprawl policies can help revitalize central cities. But Anthony Downs has argued that ameliorating central city decay will probably do little to contain sprawl and vice-versa.

-Mike Manville

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By: randall crane http://planning-research.com/manville-on-downtown-revitalization-what-how-and-why/comment-page-1/#comment-54 randall crane Wed, 27 Sep 2006 18:17:00 +0000 http://planning-research.martacrane.com/?p=44#comment-54 I deleted these 2 comments because of an html error in one. Please resubmit those comments.

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By: Anonymous http://planning-research.com/manville-on-downtown-revitalization-what-how-and-why/comment-page-1/#comment-53 Anonymous Mon, 25 Sep 2006 18:36:00 +0000 http://planning-research.martacrane.com/?p=44#comment-53 Good analysis. Your point 3 (public choice) is right on target. Affluent and politically connected suburbanites have co-opted the “downtown crowd” of which they are often members, to create office buildings for their companies on the cheap in downtown areas (often usiung redevelopment tax-free bonds), while they live in the suburbs and wouldn’t be caught dead living in the city, especially in light of the assorted urban pathologies, the catstrophic decline in urban schools, etc. At the end of the day those downtown buildings and the streets surrounding them are abandoned, while their daytime occupants head home to the subuirbs.
Add to that the various policies and subsidies that favor suburban living and disfavor urban living, as well as the fact that suburban home ownership has been a bonanza to large numbers of people, and the story is complete. Only very few people (yuppies, DINKS and empty nesters) find city living agreeable. Others (the vast majority) head out to suburbia and of late to exurbia because that, in Willie Sutton’s immortal words, is where the money is. To say nothing of a more agreeable lifestyle for them and their children.

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By: ElphinKnight http://planning-research.com/manville-on-downtown-revitalization-what-how-and-why/comment-page-1/#comment-52 ElphinKnight Fri, 22 Sep 2006 12:56:00 +0000 http://planning-research.martacrane.com/?p=44#comment-52 The fiscal purpose seems to me the primary consideration in downtown revitalization. Secondarily the psychological explanation likely holds, but I focus my comment on the former. As the United States economy continues to be more service-based, there is no reason a downtown filled with office buildings could not be a center of employment for a city. With tens- or hundreds-of-thousands of people entering downtown on a daily basis, the population necessary for thriving retail exist. Of course, that retail will draw even more people to the downtown area both for jobs requiring less education and for shopping. All of this benefits people, not just place. Many people will want to live downtown, which provides housing. If the draw is primarily those who are wealthy, so be it. Drawing higher income people into the city core can only help tax revenue necessary for city services. So I believe that there are genuine economic reasons beneficial to the greater populace, not just limited to the population living in the downtown. Given the will and the effort, I feel this can happen much more quickly than the 50-year time frame suggested.

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By: jesse http://planning-research.com/manville-on-downtown-revitalization-what-how-and-why/comment-page-1/#comment-51 jesse Fri, 08 Sep 2006 16:08:00 +0000 http://planning-research.martacrane.com/?p=44#comment-51 Very interesting. If you’re interested, I wrote some of my reactions to your post on my site.

As always on UPR, very thoughtful analysis. Thank you.

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By: Will http://planning-research.com/manville-on-downtown-revitalization-what-how-and-why/comment-page-1/#comment-50 Will Fri, 08 Sep 2006 15:12:00 +0000 http://planning-research.martacrane.com/?p=44#comment-50 Very good article, thank you.

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